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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2020 17:52:16 GMT -5
Looks like I'm late to the party as I didn't know this happened. You wouldn't be back here if I didn't told you about WGXX. Ok you can move this admin
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Post by adam31 on Dec 9, 2020 18:42:22 GMT -5
Looks like I'm late to the party as I didn't know this happened. You wouldn't be back here if I didn't told you about WGXX. Ok you can move this admin It's all good...glad to have everyone here!
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Post by adam31 on Dec 12, 2020 15:07:33 GMT -5
Shows coming up the week of 12/14/2020
MERC 12-16-89 AT40 Casey 12-18-99 AT40 Shadoe 12-17-88 AT20 Casey 12-18-04
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It will get festive starting the week of the 21st!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2020 23:29:57 GMT -5
Shows coming up the week of 12/14/2020 MERC 12-16-89 AT40 Casey 12-18-99 AT40 Shadoe 12-17-88 AT20 Casey 12-18-04 Times in first post. It will get festive starting the week of the 21st!Cue sheets/listing: AT40 Casey 12-18-99: tinyurl.com/12181999at40AT40 Shadoe 12-17-88: charismusicgroup.com/Cue%20Sheets/12-17-88.pdfAT20 Casey 12-18-04: Ouch! Any alternative? I should stop doing this. I hope I didn't mess up with the AT20 list. It's an eightDEES week!
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Post by Mike on Dec 13, 2020 23:43:26 GMT -5
Oops! You did. As it happens, the Hot AC version of Ryan's AT40 launched on 12/4/2004, and that page uses his version for the Hot AC charts from that date, onward. It's only from November 1994 through November 2004 that it uses AT20.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 8:54:31 GMT -5
Oops! You did. As it happens, the Hot AC version of Ryan's AT40 launched on 12/4/2004, and that page uses his version for the Hot AC charts from that date, onward. It's only from November 1994 through November 2004 that it uses AT20. Ouch! Is there any place with AT20 lists?
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Post by adam31 on Dec 14, 2020 9:20:32 GMT -5
Oops! You did. As it happens, the Hot AC version of Ryan's AT40 launched on 12/4/2004, and that page uses his version for the Hot AC charts from that date, onward. It's only from November 1994 through November 2004 that it uses AT20. Ouch! Is there any place with AT20 lists? Charis has some, but not very many of them. I could not find it anywhere!
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Post by Mike on Dec 14, 2020 17:51:25 GMT -5
Yeah...not with the date matching, unfortunately. There's two places I can think of that would have the chart, but both use the R&R dating system (at least through when it was sold to Billboard in 2006) - one is the R&R issues themselves which are posted on World Radio History, the other is a site that posts the Top 20 of multiple different charts (Hot AC is among them). R&R: worldradiohistory.com/Archive-RandR/2000s/2004/RR-2004-12-10.pdf#page=70
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Post by adam31 on Dec 19, 2020 11:10:17 GMT -5
Shows coming up the week of 12/21/2020
MERC Top 100 One Hit Wonders Of The 80's Part 2 AT40 Casey Top 40 of the 90s 1-1-2000 AT40 Shadoe 12-22-90 AT20 Casey Top 30 Christmas songs 12-15-01 Metal Mountain Christmas Songs
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Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays!
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Post by at40fansince1984 on Dec 22, 2020 22:44:16 GMT -5
This Top 40 Of The 90's sure biases toward the latter half doesn't it. It seems like all the first 3-4 years were all in the first hour. But these 99 ads sure make it better than hearing some of these dull late 90's songs when it was on noHeart radio.
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Post by Mike on Dec 23, 2020 7:42:48 GMT -5
That's the inherent problem with any 90s decade Top X chart...there's not one single chart that can be used that stayed consistent over the course of the entire decade, so as to produce a chart that might seem like a fair ranking. This may surprise some people, but out of...I'd say the four main published charts that AT40 has used prior to when Ryan Seacrest began (and it's fair to draw the line there because the Seacrest era has not, actually, used a published chart), I'd actually call the third and last one of the original AT40 run as the most stable of the three - not only of the 90s, but in fact the entire timeframe since it began. Why's that, you might cry out? I will explain. (And have some coffee on hand if you need your morning fix, cause this will take a little while... ) You may be surprised at just how stable Billboard's Mainstream Top 40/Pop Songs chart actually has been over its lifespan. It began on the issue date for the week ending October 3, 1992, and since that time has only really seen two changes done to it in the 28 years and change that it's been around - both only changes to its recurrent rule. Up through the 2005 chart year (ending: November 26, 2005), it had a rule that songs below #20 that had been charting for more than 26 weeks would be removed from the chart. Now at first, it didn't quite have a hard and fast execution - a 26-week timeframe means the earliest it could actually take effect was the week of April 3, 1993. And there were 3 songs that didn't end up getting removed right away when they should have ("Do You Believe in Us", "I'd Die Without You", and "Rhythm is a Dancer"*)...but after those initial growing pains, they stuck to having that hard rule. And that was the way it was for the first 13 years, up until December 3, 2005, when the rule was sped up a little bit, changing to #20/20 weeks. That would stick for the next 5 years, until December 4, 2010 when it was raised to #15/20 weeks, which it has remained ever since. (Though, I think the 2010 change also included a second rule of #10/52 weeks - which, fast forward to the present day, and we might be about to see that rule actually implemented on a song for the very first time.) But from the beginning, its singular purpose has been for monitoring airplay on Mainstream Pop stations. Let's compare this to Hot 100 Airplay/Radio Songs/Top 40 Radio Monitor. This first entered the magazine as the Top 40 Radio Monitor on the issue for the week ending December 8, 1990 (though, what appear to be some of the last "test charts" from this have apparently been posted on Billboard's website; the first such chart is dated November 10). Irrespective of its not being the chart officially being used as the airplay side of the Hot 100 for the 1991 chart year, it otherwise strictly monitored airplay on what were considered "Pop" stations. The bulk of these were considered either "Mainstream" or "Rhythmic", and the charts for those two subsets would debut in 1992, while in the meantime their combined sum still contributed to the Top 40 Radio Monitor - which they obviously still do today. This chart had a strict #20/20 weeks recurrent rule. And it would remain just like this, until the week of July 17, 1993. That was the week Billboard unveiled the "new" Adult Contemporary chart - meaning, the week that chart was converted to monitored airplay. That chart was concurrently added to the Top 40 Radio Monitor - which in that same breath, changed its name to Hot 100 Airplay. Two weeks later on July 31, the chart's recurrent rule would be completely overhauled, changed to be coupled with that of the Hot 100: Songs could now stay on the Airplay chart for as long as they remained on the Hot 100, without going recurrent off of that chart. A song that was moved to recurrent status off the Hot 100 would concurrently have the same thing happen to it on the Hot 100 Airplay chart. (See below footnotes for songs that didn't have physical singles released and weren't able to chart on the Hot 100.**) Four months later on December 18, Modern Rock was converted to a mix of printed playlists and monitored airplay, with the monitored airplay portion concurrently being added to Hot 100 Airplay; this portion would increase as more MR stations began being monitored. This next one, I'm a little fuzzy on...Billboard would reveal the Adult Top 40 chart (all-monitored airplay, of course) in the issue for March 16, 1996, though test charts for this are on Billboard's website going back to October 7, 1995. I'm not entirely certain whether there were "Adult Top 40" stations already contributing to Hot 100 Airplay, but there just weren't enough of them to put together a chart for just them, or whether the contribution to Hot 100 Airplay didn't begin until the separate chart was unveiled as well. Either way, yet another subset for Hot 100 Airplay revealed. Finally, on the week of December 5, 1998, Billboard pulled the trigger and opened up Hot 100 Airplay to all formats whose airplay was being monitored. THAT, has not changed since then - but it sure took a series of changes along the way to get to that point. And, of course, all these changes to Hot 100 Airplay also affected the Hot 100 itself as well. But, of course, the Hot 100 has had other changes that had nothing to do with radio airplay. For starters, of course, up through November 23, 1991, the Hot 100 was comprised of written/printed reports for both radio airplay and singles sales. November 30 saw the changeover to using monitored airplay and precisely-measured sales counts. But songs had to be available to buy in some form of physical medium - vinyl record, cassette, CD. Songs that weren't available to buy weren't eligible to chart on the Hot 100. Billboard axed this rule on the week of December 5, 1998, and the chart then finally settled into a period of stability...that is, up until the week of February 12, 2005, when songs sold in some kind of digital form (usually MP3) had those sales added to the Hot 100. An additional form of "song consumption" that we know as online streaming began being counted towards the Hot 100 with the week of August 11, 2007 - though at the time, the only companies providing that data were AOL Music and Yahoo! Music. More companies would join the party as time went on...most notoriously, YouTube (beginning the week of March 2, 2013); one could say the Hot 100 remains in a perpetual state of flux today. I won't mention the Hot 100's recurrent rule and the changes that's had (there's been a couple), but those can be tossed on the pile of changes the chart's had over the years. So if Billboard's been so change-y, what about Radio & Records? Well...their CHR/Pop airplay chart remained with using written/printed playlists for airplay data up through the chart in their magazine dated April 15, 1994. (For purposes of Casey's Top 40 and the Rick Dees Weekly Top 40, that'd be their countdowns for the weekend of April 23.) Then, they converted to monitored airplay beginning the following week. That, obviously, stuck, but at first the chart was still only the Top 40. They'd expand this to 50 beginning with the week of May 12, 1995. And then there's the recurrent rules and associated changes...and there's been more than for Billboard. R&R actually held off on using such a rule at all until the week of June 21, 1996 (CT40: June 29), when they implemented a rule of #25/26 weeks. And incidentally, they took two weeks off at the end of each year - those "frozen" weeks did NOT count towards "recurrent" time clocks. The rule would speed up three years later, changing to #20/20 weeks on the week of June 25, 1999 (AT40: July 3). It would speed up even more two years later, changing to #25/3 weeks of losing spins the week of August 10, 2001 (AT40: August 18). Due to negative feedback (and probably a fairly significant event in the entire country's history that also played havoc with station airplay), it would change back to #20/20 weeks three months later (November 2, also the November 10 AT40). At the time of the 1999 change, it was also revealed that R&R's source for airplay monitoring was Mediabase 24/7. When R&R would be sold to Billboard in 2006, with their last independent issue being the week of August 4, the direct Mediabase chart effectively replaced R&R as the spiritual successor for those airplay charts. Some functional changes that came with that: I'm not sure on this, but I believe Mediabase has always ended their airplay tracking weeks on Sunday nights - ergo, the Sunday night ranking would be used for the R&R chart that was then dated for that Friday. So, a Sunday night, September 3 chart, would be used for an R&R dated September 8. (For AT40 purposes, that would go into their countdown for September 16.) Another change, is that their "recurrent" time clock only counted weeks spent in the Top 40, not the Top 50 as R&R had done. Songs that reached the Top 40 but didn't last 20 weeks would be "purged" off the entire chart once they fell below #40 - they weren't hyper-strict about this at first, but by 2008 it became more noticeable. But, the rule remained #20/20 weeks in the meantime...until this changed effective with the Mediabase chart for April 11, 2010, when it was raised to #15/20 weeks. It would then be raised again two years later, on April 1, 2012, to #10/20 weeks, which it has remained ever since. And that, ultimately, is why I'd consider Billboard's Mainstream Top 40 chart as the most stable of the main "Pop" charts over the timeframe that it has existed: It's had easily the fewest chart changes to deal with.
FOOTNOTES *From Mainstream Top 40: "Do You Believe in Us" and "I'd Die Without You" should both have been removed that first week of April 3, 1993, while "Rhythm is a Dancer" should have been removed on April 17 - so yes, we should not have had that first debut-less week. (The actual first one should have been October 16.) **From Hot 100 AIrplay: Songs that didn't have physical singles released - "Mr. Jones", "When I Come Around", "Don't Speak", etc. - would not be removed from Hot 100 Airplay until they'd been charting for a certain number of weeks (either 20 or 26 weeks, I forget offhand which) and fallen below #50. Essentially, this duplicated the Hot 100's own recurrent rule, with the timeframe set for time spent on the Airplay chart.
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Post by adam31 on Dec 23, 2020 8:08:52 GMT -5
Wow, awesome stuff, Mike. I anoit thee Dr Abacus Durkee and the Joel Whitburn of chart critques! You should seriously write a book. The streaming you mention added the Hot 100 from YouTube in 2013 is what I perceive as the downfall of that chart. I'm so happy to find that the Mainstream portion (now called Radio Songs, I believe) has changed so little since it started in 1992.
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Post by Mike on Dec 23, 2020 10:29:04 GMT -5
Ha, thanks. When I know about these things and can devote a long post to the subject, I'll go for it, but I'm perfectly content to not do so on a heavily regular basis. I'm so happy to find that the Mainstream portion (now called Radio Songs, I believe) has changed so little since it started in 1992. Radio Songs is Hot 100 Airplay, Pop Songs is the Mainstream chart. I will note that - perhaps unfortunately - songs are spending longer and longer near the higher reaches of the Mainstream chart again these days ("Blinding Lights" by the Weeknd is the first to spend a full year on the entire chart, doing so this year! ), but things like that can't be blamed on the chart. That falls squarely on radio airplay trends/habits/whathaveyou.
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Post by adam31 on Dec 23, 2020 14:22:54 GMT -5
Ha, thanks. When I know about these things and can devote a long post to the subject, I'll go for it, but I'm perfectly content to not do so on a heavily regular basis. I'm so happy to find that the Mainstream portion (now called Radio Songs, I believe) has changed so little since it started in 1992. Radio Songs is Hot 100 Airplay, Pop Songs is the Mainstream chart. I will note that - perhaps unfortunately - songs are spending longer and longer near the higher reaches of the Mainstream chart again these days ("Blinding Lights" by the Weeknd is the first to spend a full year on the entire chart, doing so this year! ), but things like that can't be blamed on the chart. That falls squarely on radio airplay trends/habits/whathaveyou. You are completely right, it is Pop Songs. I get those mixed up frequently, screws me up when I am researching extras lol. Love "Blinding Lights" by the Weeknd and the two smashes by Dua Lipa - "Break My Heart" and "Don't Start Now". They all three remind me of the 80s stuff we love and grew up with. The Weeknd even said he was inspired by 80s music for "Lights". And does Dua Lipa remind anyone of Madonna? lol. Thank goodness music today isn't all Bieber and WAP.
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Post by at40fansince1984 on Dec 23, 2020 16:49:43 GMT -5
I heard at the end that the Top 40 Of The 90's used Radio & Records. So even though it was AT40 Top 40 Of The 90's the charts used would've been what he counted down on CT40 until 98 & AT40 from 98-99.
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Post by at40fansince1984 on Dec 24, 2020 10:56:51 GMT -5
Is the Top 30 Christmas Songs supposed to air back-to-back because it ended & started over.
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Post by adam31 on Dec 24, 2020 11:07:21 GMT -5
Is the Top 30 Christmas Songs supposed to air back-to-back because it ended & started over. Yes it should repeat until early tomorrow also check out WBME for more Christmas goodies!
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Post by adam31 on Dec 26, 2020 11:19:13 GMT -5
Shows coming up the week of 12/28/2020
MERC 80s Canada Countdown Part 1 CT40 Casey Top 100 of 1997 Part 1 AT40 Shadoe Top 100 of 1992 Part 1 AT20 Casey Top 60 HAC of 2008 Part 1
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Post by mitchm on Dec 27, 2020 11:27:58 GMT -5
Shows coming up the week of 12/28/2020 MERC 80s Canada Countdown Part 1 CT40 Casey Top 100 of 1997 Part 1 AT40 Shadoe Top 100 of 1992 Part 1 AT20 Casey Top 60 HAC of 2008 Part 1 Times in first post. I am glad to see you expand your years back to Casey's Top 40 1997. I love the years 1998-2003, but the more years the merrier.
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Post by Mike on Dec 27, 2020 17:26:58 GMT -5
(Though, I think the 2010 change also included a second rule of #10/52 weeks - which, fast forward to the present day, and we might be about to see that rule actually implemented on a song for the very first time. ) Disregard this. "Blinding Lights" gets a 53rd week on the chart, at #15.
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Post by adam31 on Dec 30, 2020 11:22:09 GMT -5
Shows coming up the week of 1/3/2021 Take a wild guess: MERC 80s Canada Countdown Part 2 CT40 Casey Top 100 of 1997 Part 2 AT40 Shadoe Top 100 of 1992 Part 2 AT20 Casey Top 60 HAC of 2008 Part 2 Times in first post. Happy New Year! Good to be rid of 2020!
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Post by Law1822 on Dec 30, 2020 13:25:18 GMT -5
I’m sorry if I have posted this in the wrong place but what are the chances of playing Rick Dees weekly top 40 shows thanks bk22
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2020 13:29:19 GMT -5
I’m sorry if I have posted this in the wrong place but what are the chances of playing Rick Dees weekly top 40 shows thanks bk22 And they thought I would be the one who would request for these shows. But hey, the more shows the better.
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Post by adam31 on Dec 30, 2020 13:37:54 GMT -5
Good idea, but sorry to disappoint you. I have only one Rick Dees show. The only reason I have one as I took it as a souvenir from the station I used to work at. Heck my first radio job was a board op for Rick Dees lol. I wish I had arranged now to keep those shows!
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Post by Law1822 on Dec 30, 2020 13:43:38 GMT -5
Thanks lovin all the at40 ct40 and at20 shows so what was Rick like he seems like a nice person I also heard that all the 1983 weekly top 40 shows from 1983 have been lost
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2020 13:46:00 GMT -5
Good idea, but sorry to disappoint you. I have only one Rick Dees show. The only reason I have one as I took it as a souvenir from the station I used to work at. Heck my first radio job was a board op for Rick Dees lol. I wish I had arranged now to keep those shows! I have dozens of 80s Rick Dees WT40 shows and even some Rick Dees On the Line and American Music Magazine..... oops.... my Dees is showing Oh yeah since this is a schedule page, I'll put a AT20 cue sheet here for y'll: charismusicgroup.com/AT20%20Hot%20AC/2008-1227%20Hot%20AC.pdf
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Post by adam31 on Jan 9, 2021 11:29:01 GMT -5
Shows coming up the week of 1/11/21
MERC 1-23-88 (WBME replay) AT40 Casey 1-12-02 AT40 Shadoe 1-14-95 AT20 Casey 1-14-06
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Post by Law1822 on Jan 11, 2021 14:33:17 GMT -5
Hi just want to know what year the merc show is this week please
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2021 14:40:24 GMT -5
Hi just want to know what year the merc show is this week please MERC 1-23-88
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Post by adam31 on Jan 16, 2021 12:25:28 GMT -5
Shows coming up the week of 1/18/21
MERC 1-26-85 AT40 Casey 1-22-2000 AT40 Shadoe 1-20-1990 AT20 Casey 1-24-04
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