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Post by adam31 on Jan 5, 2021 11:45:43 GMT -5
Well it looks like I'll have to catch both airings on this one - I had to run out for a bit but left it running, and figured no problem, I could just let it run until it ends, then play it back right after. Nope - apparently I must have been disconnected at some point, because I later noticed that the station had stopped. Bummer, what are you using to listen and record? I found when I listen and record on WBME, RarmaRadio worked best for me.
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Post by Mike on Jan 5, 2021 13:42:03 GMT -5
I've only ever used Audacity.
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Post by roadrunner on Jan 5, 2021 14:13:15 GMT -5
During my recording this morning the stream disconnected between No36 and 35 on both programs I use (radiosure and radioripper). I have also audacity and the VLC player. Audacity I use mainly for radiostations who use aac. For MP3 I can insert any radiostation I like by using radiosure which has already hundrets of stations on board... Radioripper is very tiny and easy to handle. Take the stream adress of any station you know, insert the adress - press play to listen and /or record to save. like your old radio recorder radioripper.informer.com/just two more options if you need another than audacity, which also works well.
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Post by adam31 on Jan 5, 2021 15:45:44 GMT -5
During my recording this morning the stream disconnected between No36 and 35 on both programs I use (radiosure and radioripper). I have also audacity and the VLC player. Audacity I use mainly for radiostations who use aac. For MP3 I can insert any radiostation I like by using radiosure which has already hundrets of stations on board... Radioripper is very tiny and easy to handle. Take the stream adress of any station you know, insert the adress - press play to listen and /or record to save. like your old radio recorder radioripper.informer.com/just two more options if you need another than audacity, which also works well. I noticed the stream dropped once, don't remember when it was, but it might be where you described. Might be an internet provider issue. Should not be a PC or bandwidth issue and it is a new PC and I have a fiber connection. To rephrase the words of Jeff Michaels, power outage or internet provider can get you and you can't do anything about it lol.
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Post by Mike on Jan 5, 2021 19:37:26 GMT -5
During my recording this morning the stream disconnected between No36 and 35 on both programs I use (radiosure and radioripper). I have also audacity and the VLC player. Audacity I use mainly for radiostations who use aac. For MP3 I can insert any radiostation I like by using radiosure which has already hundrets of stations on board... Radioripper is very tiny and easy to handle. Take the stream adress of any station you know, insert the adress - press play to listen and /or record to save. like your old radio recorder radioripper.informer.com/just two more options if you need another than audacity, which also works well. Interesting - my disconnection apparently happened during #35 ("I Don't Want to Wait"), about 1:20 in. (Well, both 1:20 into that song and 1:20:32 into the whole show, actually.) I only noticed it so late after that because I was letting it run while my attention was elsewhere. As to Radioripper - that'd probably have to be something I test later on, but I'll keep it in mind. Usually recording while listening isn't a problem, it's just...when something does go awry, it really goes awry.
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Post by Mike on Jan 5, 2021 21:55:02 GMT -5
Status report: This time's going fine. Only checking in now because I'm also doing a bit of recordkeeping as we go, which is related to something that will come up in my Part Two post.
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Post by Mike on Jan 6, 2021 0:09:23 GMT -5
Since last week, I've stumbled upon Billboard's own Mainstream Top 40 rankings for 1997. And these songs ranked in their year-end chart but not in R&R's: "Spiderwebs", "Elegantly Wasted", Freak Nasty's "Da' Dip", dc Talk's "Just Between You and Me", Donna Lewis's "Without Love", "Fly Like an Eagle", "My Boo", and "Grease Megamix". A couple of things: - "Da' Dip" only reached #38 in R&R and spent 13 weeks in their Top 50, but just two in their Top 40 (CT40). In contrast, that went up to #31 on Billboard - and, ostensibly, lasted long enough to rank. (Remember: Billboard counts only airplay from weeks on the chart and no other time, R&R counts all of it and eligibility is determined by "did the song spend at least one week on the chart within the survey period?".)
- "Spiderwebs" and "My Boo" were on R&R's 1996 list, and probably Billboard's as well (certainly No Doubt were), but only carried over to 1997 there.
- "Just Between You and Me", "Fly Like an Eagle", and "Grease Megamix" all peaked very close to the dividing line for R&R's survey period, which would effectively cut their chart runs in half there - and they only lasted 16, 14, and 15 weeks respectively, and didn't get very much "below chart" airplay to pull from. They wouldn't have to worry about other songs getting that extra airplay for Billboard's ranking, though, and ostensibly that made the difference there.
- That may also have made the difference when it comes to #1 - Jewel isn't #1 there.
Billboard's year-end issue (the Mainstream year-end chart is on Page 38): worldradiohistory.com/Archive-All-Music/Billboard/Billboard-Airplay/1997/BBAM-1997-12-28.pdf"How Bizarre" also reached #1 on the Mainstream Top 40, the only song to hit #1 on Billboard but not R&R (where it stopped at #2 for 4 weeks). No song that hit #1 in R&R missed the top on Billboard. Meanwhile, the summer saw two #1s on Billboard's multi-format Hot 100 Airplay chart that may be a little surprising - both "Sunny Came Home" and "Men in Black" each spent 4 weeks on top there. "Men in Black" actually fared better on Billboard's Mainstream chart than in R&R, reaching #2 there. All the rest of 1997's #1s there also hit #1 in R&R except for "Unbreak My Heart", but that of course was a huge seller and thus a double-digit-week Hot 100 #1. (Toni interrupted the long run of "Don't Speak" on top, getting 2 weeks for herself in January.) Incidentally, check out Page 6 of the Billboard issue for what the Hot 100 Airplay year-end chart would look like, IF it had been incorporating all formats at this point. (The actual Hot 100 Airplay year-end chart can be found here.) I believe I still have that CD, Tubthumper. Speaking of breaking music rules, they definitely broke the Biggest Hits rules for "Come to My Window" - that didn't hit either R&R or a Billboard Pop chart until at least mid-February 1994 (as opposed to the turn of the year). "I Don't Want to Wait" wasn't just still on the weekly survey - it was sitting at its peak position at #5 at the end of the survey period. It also famously ranked at #10 on Billboard's year-end Hot 100 survey - for 1998! Despite peaking at #11 on the Hot 100. Yes, 1998 was a year with many many singles missing physical releases and therefore missing from the Hot 100, but "Wait" also didn't even rank in 1997's survey, which made me wonder why - turns out the physical release wasn't until mid-October, much too late. (It hit the Hot 100 on the week ending November 1, 1997, and all the missing singles from the Hot 100 lead to its spending 56 weeks on the chart, finally going recurrent on the last Hot 100 before they overhauled it and opened it up to radio-only songs.) So, Rick Dees's Top 97 of 1997 uses R&R's Top 97, only switched around as Rick saw fit. (I don't have any of that show, I only know the rankings courtesy of shadster's links off the AT40 board.) The one big instance that comes to mind is the Spice Girls having three out of a four-song block in the 20s, with only "How Do I Live" inbetween. Turns out, that's the product of two different switches he made: LeAnn Rimes at #29 was switched with "Everyday is a Winding Road" at #27, with "2 Become 1" remaining at #28. That's the LeAnn Rimes part. The Spice Girls double right above her is due to him pushing down their other two songs 2 notches apiece - so, "2 Become 1" is #28, a switched LeAnn Rimes is #27, "Wannabe" is #26 (instead of 24), and "Say You'll Be There" is #25 (instead of 23). In the process of the latter, he also put Monica ahead of the Verve Pipe. Speaking of the Spice Girls, I also still have the cassette album of Spice, though you can hear the wear it has now if you were to play it. I ended up finding a CD copy of it a few years ago at a Goodwill. Here's an interesting factoid: "Ooh Aah...Just a Little Bit" is, believe it or not, the most recent U.S. hit that was also an entry in the Eurovision Song Contest. It's also the only such song to be a U.S. hit at any time past the 70s (from what I've found, it was the first Eurovision song to reach the Hot 100 since 1976). "Semi-Charmed Life" was the #1 song of the year on both R&R's and Billboard's Alternative charts (with Billboard's still called Modern Rock). (Incidentally, I still have the cassingle.) Likewise, "Un-break My Heart" was also the #1 AC song in both places. And I would be re-miss if I didn't also provide a link to R&R's year-end issue (the year-end Pop chart is on Page 40 of the PDF, which was the issue's Page 42): worldradiohistory.com/Archive-RandR/1990s/1997/RR-1997-12-12.pdf
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Post by Mike on Jan 12, 2021 21:10:34 GMT -5
"Holiday" abruptly slowed down and acted like it was skipping early in the song - is your copy like that, or was it my connection throwing a fit on me? (I suspect it's on my end, which doesn't make me happy, because one would think a new laptop means I don't run into issues like these... )
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Post by at40fansince1984 on Jan 13, 2021 0:16:32 GMT -5
Chad Kroger - "Where's The Nickelback Albums" Record Store Man - "We Got Them Sh!ts In The Trash Where They Belong"
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Post by Mike on Jan 13, 2021 0:19:16 GMT -5
Woke up late today. Hmmmm...apparently, they weren't done using "funny" charts in the second Casey run. "Everyday" spent only 1 week in R&R's Top 40 at #40, but that particular week does NOT match up with what's in this countdown. Here's the R&R chart: worldradiohistory.com/Archive-RandR/2000s/2001/RR-2001-12-21.pdf#page=33Instead, this must be from a chart taken from over the holidays. And that requires some explanation - airplay monitoring, obviously, never "slept" during the holidays, they'd continue tracking. But, the charts that would have resulted from the 2 weeks where R&R didn't publish a full issue were never themselves published. (R&R does have a January 4, 2002 issue, but there are no charts in there.) Here's how the Mediabase charts worked with the R&R publishing schedule: R&R issue dates were on Fridays. The Mediabase tracking week would end on Saturdays. So...for example, let's use the R&R issue that I linked. The chart for the December 21, 2001 issue used Mediabase data for the tracking week of December 9 through 15. Now, to carry this forward...the charts for the tracking weeks ending December 22 and December 29 were the two weeks that were never published. (If they had been published, they'd have been in R&R issues dated December 28, 2001 and January 4, 2002, respectively.) THIS countdown would have to have come from one of those weeks. Which one? I can't be 100% sure...but I suspect it's the tracking week ending December 29 (would have gone in the January 4 issue had they put charts in there). "Ain't it Funny" is only New & Active in the last 2001 issue, and "Always on Time" is just barely inside the Top 50 - yet, both debut in this week's countdown. That points to going two weeks past that issue's chart rather than one week past. Those two debuts, incidentally, take the place of "Drowning" and "One Minute Man", who would still have been in the survey otherwise. (The other three droppers, "Hit 'Em Up Style", "We Fit Together", and "Izzo", would have fallen out either way.) One other thing: "Fallin' " was otherwise old enough to be going recurrent off R&R now, but since that was still in the Top 20 on December 21, it couldn't go (whereas, "Hit 'Em Up Style" DID go that week). And, just to be sure, I did check - the previous week's countdown (hosted by Ed McMann) did use R&R's December 14, 2001 chart. That does match - it's just this week's that doesn't. I also can't be sure when the Murder Inc. version of "Ain't it Funny" became widely available, other than it very obviously didn't take nearly as long as it did with "I'm Real". Might've even been just a week or two after this countdown. All that is just to say that playing the original version this week may not be a surprise, but I'd certainly expect to hear the Murder Inc. version on the next 2002 show that comes up. THEN AGAIN, MAYBE NOT? The only conclusion I can draw from the fact that they're still playing the original "I'm Real" is that that must have been the only version they ever played. That second America's Top Hit, "Because of You", was copied directly from 11/20/99 - the story's exactly the same, in fact it might even be the exact same clip down to the last detail except for the different theme piece (the America's Top Hits from 1998-2000 use a different theme, whereas 2001-03 mimics what we heard in the CT40 Top 100 of 1997). Having all of 1998 on the AT40 side, it's not the first time I've noticed them re-using stories for those, but it might be the first time I've noticed that it's effectively a recycled clip. SHADES OF CHAMPAIGN: "The World's Greatest" is the week's highest debut at #29...and it would only go six notches higher. That's a near-exact match to Champaign's "Try Again" from 1983 - that song was the highest debut on 5/14/1983, and it too would only go up to #23. Incidentally, Champaign were, of course, named after their hometown in Illinois - R. Kelly's from Chicago. Oh, WHY did they have to play the P. Diddy remix of "Son of a Gun" this week? The remix with Missy Elliott alone is great, the one with P. Diddy also was just piling on - and if anything, is more to his own benefit than anything else. X YEARS AGO THIS WEEK... 20 Years Ago This Week obviously was taken from the Hot 100/AT40 ("Physical" didn't reach #1 in R&R), but 10 Years Ago This Week would actually be a CT40 stat, as "Black or White" had already fallen from #1 on Shadoe's AT40 (though it spent 7 weeks at #1 on the Hot 100, and was still there on 1/11/92, it was only there for December 1991 on AT40). Horace Greeley is also infamously known as the one and only Presidential candidate to have died in the period after (popular) Election Day but before the Electoral College had formally cast their ballots. As a result, the votes that would have gone to him had to be cast for other people - not that it necessarily mattered, as he had already lost to Ulysses S. Grant (who was re-elected). The final vote total was, effectively, 286 for Grant and 66 for Not Grant (it would have been 286 for Grant and 66 for Greeley otherwise).
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Post by at40fansince1984 on Jan 13, 2021 1:47:52 GMT -5
Another note I noticed in the Fabolous Song "Can't Dent It" they used the old Shadoe era trick of looping as they looped the first Fabolous verse twice.
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Post by Mike on Jan 13, 2021 7:54:49 GMT -5
They also did that with the second verse in "I'm a Slave 4 U". I can vouch for most, if not all 1998 shows having that happen with at least one song - I just can't speak to how many shows past '98 where that is so. (Probably not a small number, though.)
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Post by adam31 on Jan 13, 2021 8:45:00 GMT -5
"Holiday" abruptly slowed down and acted like it was skipping early in the song - is your copy like that, or was it my connection throwing a fit on me? (I suspect it's on my end, which doesn't make me happy, because one would think a new laptop means I don't run into issues like these... ) I didn't notice that on my listen this evening. I did notice that it seemed to have a lower level however.
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Post by Mike on Jan 13, 2021 11:39:52 GMT -5
Well, in any case, Shadoe ran perfectly this morning, so at least I didn't have two fits in one week.
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Post by saltyhylian on Jan 13, 2021 16:04:45 GMT -5
Another note I noticed in the Fabolous Song "Can't Dent It" they used the old Shadoe era trick of looping as they looped the first Fabolous verse twice. Very common during the Second Kasem Era. Heard a few other songs doing the verse loop thing or even skipping verses to save time on different shows. Side note: Glad to hear the full song and not only the first 30 seconds of it. (*cough* Dees *cough*)
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Post by at40fansince1984 on Jan 13, 2021 18:08:12 GMT -5
Another note I noticed in the Fabolous Song "Can't Dent It" they used the old Shadoe era trick of looping as they looped the first Fabolous verse twice. Very common during the Second Kasem Era. Heard a few other songs doing the verse loop thing or even skipping verses to save time on different shows. Side note: Glad to hear the full song and not only the first 30 seconds of it. (*cough* Dees *cough*) Right, or like some mid 90's Dees shows where he says it & don't play it instead having a dull request.
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Post by Mike on Jan 13, 2021 23:10:41 GMT -5
Part One of the Top 92 of 1992 was a bad offender in that regard, as that had two of them. Requests really don't fit a year-end show - but if you want to have them, at least stick to the year, as opposed to pulling out "A Little Respect" and "The Pleasure Principle" for completely no reason. (Neither song is even remotely bad, but they didn't belong in that show.)
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Post by adam31 on Jan 14, 2021 8:57:08 GMT -5
Another note I noticed in the Fabolous Song "Can't Dent It" they used the old Shadoe era trick of looping as they looped the first Fabolous verse twice. Speaking of the "Shadoe Looping Trick" in the later years like yesterdays 1995 show where ABC Watermark was not involved, notice all that seemed to stop. Shadoe also didn't have to talk over constant looping intros. Shadoe and AT40 sounded much better in the early days and the end.
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Post by at40fansince1984 on Jan 14, 2021 12:11:27 GMT -5
The end could've had a more variety of music though. It's also weird that AT40 in 1970 used the weeks ahead chart but in 1995 they were using week old charts. But I guess when you knew it was ending why care much.
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Post by saltyhylian on Jan 14, 2021 12:58:34 GMT -5
Also, I may be wrong but I think they always used the Diddy remix of Son of a Gun through it’s run. Unless it debuted using the original version before the remixed versions came out like a bunch of other songs did (e.g. My Love Is Your Love).
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Post by Mike on Jan 14, 2021 19:25:06 GMT -5
Also, I may be wrong but I think they always used the Diddy remix of Son of a Gun through it’s run. I thought that remix didn't come out until about a month or two after the song was released? It was definitely out by the start of 2002, to be sure, but I didn't think it dropped until at least December. My bet would be that it was the remix with just Missy and Carly up until the Diddy remix would have dropped, though. If that's true that it was used the whole run though, then: Unless it debuted using the original version before the remixed versions came out like a bunch of other songs did (e.g. My Love Is Your Love). Do you mean It's Not Right, But It's Okay? That song DID have its original played on 7/3/99, but on 7/17, 8/14, and 9/11, they played the Thunderpuss remix.
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Post by at40fansince1984 on Jan 14, 2021 22:29:25 GMT -5
Also, I may be wrong but I think they always used the Diddy remix of Son of a Gun through it’s run. I thought that remix didn't come out until about a month or two after the song was released? It was definitely out by the start of 2002, to be sure, but I didn't think it dropped until at least December. My bet would be that it was the remix with just Missy and Carly up until the Diddy remix would have dropped, though. If that's true that it was used the whole run though, then: Unless it debuted using the original version before the remixed versions came out like a bunch of other songs did (e.g. My Love Is Your Love). Do you mean It's Not Right, But It's Okay? That song DID have its original played on 7/3/99, but on 7/17, 8/14, and 9/11, they played the Thunderpuss remix. That song jammed but I think it's a stretch giving Carly Simon a featured just for "singing" "I Bet You Think This Song Is About You" but then again today you could probably get a featured credit if you passed gas in the studio while they were recording.
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Post by at40fansince1984 on Jan 14, 2021 22:32:52 GMT -5
Speaking of remixes that Shadoe show had a remix of Janet's You Want This with MC Lyte rhyming near the end.I was hoping one of the surprise extras was the Billboard #1 Hip-Hop song that week Tootsie Roll by the 69 Boyz.
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Post by saltyhylian on Jan 15, 2021 0:13:45 GMT -5
I thought that remix didn't come out until about a month or two after the song was released? It was definitely out by the start of 2002, to be sure, but I didn't think it dropped until at least December. My bet would be that it was the remix with just Missy and Carly up until the Diddy remix would have dropped, though. If that's true that it was used the whole run though, then: Do you mean It's Not Right, But It's Okay? That song DID have its original played on 7/3/99, but on 7/17, 8/14, and 9/11, they played the Thunderpuss remix. That song jammed but I think it's a stretch giving Carly Simon a featured just for "singing" "I Bet You Think This Song Is About You" but then again today you could probably get a featured credit if you passed gas in the studio while they were recording. All the shows I listened to that had the song used the Diddy remix but it could be the case when it first debuted. Also note that "the competition" played the original version (without Missy/Diddy). Wasn’t surprised but after hearing only the Diddy/Missy version, HUGE difference.
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Post by at40fansince1984 on Jan 15, 2021 0:35:29 GMT -5
All the shows I listened to that had the song used the Diddy remix but it could be the case when it first debuted. Also note that "the competition" played the original version (without Missy/Diddy). Wasn’t surprised but after hearing only the Diddy/Missy version, HUGE difference. I got bored with Top 40 countdowns by then as I had most of the good Hip-Hop & R&B on cassettes I could listen to anytime without have to endless soundalike rock acts like Creed, Nickelback, Lifehouse, etc & Idol garbage like Kelly Clarkson to hear the few songs I liked in it.
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Post by Mike on Jan 15, 2021 1:39:44 GMT -5
That song jammed but I think it's a stretch giving Carly Simon a featured just for "singing" "I Bet You Think This Song Is About You" but then again today you could probably get a featured credit if you passed gas in the studio while they were recording. One could consider the original "Son of a Gun" a duet, though, as Janet & Carly effectively get equal time. That goes way down at even the first remix (just Missy), though her bridge before the final chorus is still there.
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Post by adam31 on Jan 15, 2021 8:23:41 GMT -5
Speaking of remixes that Shadoe show had a remix of Janet's You Want This with MC Lyte rhyming near the end.I was hoping one of the surprise extras was the Billboard #1 Hip-Hop song that week Tootsie Roll by the 69 Boyz. Maybe I would have used "Tootsie Roll", as that's an "oldie but a goodie". I couldn't find a "Hip-Hop" chart in that weeks' Billboard. #1 R&B was "Creep" at least on 1/7/95. I didn't want @mike calling me out on incorrect information since the chart was a week off LOL.
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Post by at40fansince1984 on Jan 15, 2021 12:46:05 GMT -5
Speaking of remixes that Shadoe show had a remix of Janet's You Want This with MC Lyte rhyming near the end. I was hoping one of the surprise extras was the Billboard #1 Hip-Hop song that week Tootsie Roll by the 69 Boyz. Maybe I would have used "Tootsie Roll", as that's an "oldie but a goodie". I couldn't find a "Hip-Hop" chart in that weeks' Billboard. #1 R&B was "Creep" at least on 1/7/95. I didn't want @mike calling me out on incorrect information since the chart was a week off LOL. I know Billboard had a Hip-Hop singles chart then because I kept track of it. It was a single sales based chart of 50 (I think) at the time.
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Post by Mike on Jan 15, 2021 14:10:04 GMT -5
I may be wrong, but "Hip-Hop" would seem to be a euphemism for what the chart was actually named. (HINT: The censor doesn't like the chart's actual name... ) ETA: And the R&B chart didn't take on its current Hot R&B/Hip-Hop moniker until December 11, 1999. ETA (2): And upon checking, "Creep" hit #1 R&B on 12/10/94 and stayed there through the show's end anyway (enroute to being #1 R&B for 1995).
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Post by at40fansince1984 on Jan 15, 2021 15:44:55 GMT -5
I may be wrong, but "Hip-Hop" would seem to be a euphemism for what the chart was actually named. (HINT: The censor doesn't like the chart's actual name... ) ETA: And the R&B chart didn't take on its current Hot R&B/Hip-Hop moniker until December 11, 1999. ETA (2): And upon checking, "Creep" hit #1 R&B on 12/10/94 and stayed there through the show's end anyway (enroute to being #1 R&B for 1995). That's why I use Hip-Hop because I like 80's & 90's Hip-Hop because it was Hip-Hop then now most of it IS CCrap.
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