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Post by Mike on Mar 8, 2021 22:44:30 GMT -5
Some additional stats:
Droppers: "Spending My Time" (LW: 19), "Blowing Kisses in the Wind" (LW: 18). Roxette also fell off CT40 this same week.
"Cool Night" hitting #1 AC is an R&R-only stat, as it looks like he spent 3 weeks at #2 in Billboard, blocked by "Leader of the Band" and "Somewhere Down the Road" (the latter of which missed the top spot in R&R, as it happens).
But then, so too is "Beauty and the Beast" reaching #1 - in Billboard, it was held to #3 for 4 weeks. First two were behind "Can't Let Go" and "Don't Let the Sun..." as 1-2. Third week, those two swapped places. Fourth week, George & Elton held at #1 while Paul Young leaped 4-2.
And there's an interesting story behind Celine's singing "Beauty and the Beast" at all - turns out, she was hesitant to do so after having recently been replaced on another animated soundtrack song. Why yes, that other song is the one we heard at #18, "Dreams to Dream". Linda Ronstadt did originally record that one first, only to initially reject it after - then Celine was brought in, and recorded a demo of it. When Linda heard the demo, she changed her mind, and as we heard, she ended up with it in the end. (Turns out she was also Steven Spielberg's first choice anyway.) Celine didn't take matters well, and ultimately she only signed on after she was moved by Angela Lansbury's original as Mrs. Potts.
"Let's Wait Awhile" is also an R&R-only #1 - she knocked "Mandolin Rain" off the top spot there, but was unable to do the same in Billboard.
"Missing You Now" is tied for the week's biggest move on the entire R&R chart (up 9 notches, 21-12) - the other would be the next song to blast onto the countdown high next week, "Save the Best For Last" (this week, it leaps 30-21). Elsewhere, Michael also blasted onto CT40 this same week, at #28. (Rod's cover of "Your Song" didn't land there until May!)
Meanwhile, "Tears in Heaven" was the only debut of the week on the entire AC chart.
Lastly, barely inside CT40 this week (and not on the AC chart at all) was another Elton tribute song altogether, Jon Bon Jovi's cover of "Levon".
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Post by at40fansince1984 on Mar 22, 2021 16:57:52 GMT -5
I added a show to the listener depot. From 12-31-89 WQHT The Top 44 Dance Songs Of The 80's hosted by "Downtown" Julie Brown it was Top 80 but this was all I found it wasn't a American Dance Traxx show but it sounds like a preview for when she took over hosting with 44 songs it's still almost 3 hours 40 minutes long. If you want a small station local countdown I have the Top 104 Of 1983 from WPSK Poughkeepsie NY that's over 9 hours so it would probably be split into 2 or 3 parts but some of the quality is not the best but then again it's almost 40 years old from probably cassettes but local ads are a fun plus.
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Post by adam31 on Mar 22, 2021 17:58:13 GMT -5
Cool thank you, that should be a good one! We got plenty of time on Monday's schedule for longer shows - prob good to have no longer than 8 hours though, as it would bleed into MERC lol.
@deessleaze sent in an MG Kelly countdown, something we haven't had yet. Thank you as well!
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Post by Mike on Mar 29, 2021 22:13:17 GMT -5
"Can't Forget You" is an increasingly-rare-by-this-point #1 AC song that missed AT40 altogether - it stopped at #43 on the Hot 100. It only barely made CT40, having peaked at #37 the previous week. Incidentally, it's also an R&R-only AC #1 - on Billboard, it was held to #2 as Paula Abdul (who was #1 the last time we heard from Dick Clark in 1991, by the way) spent 5 weeks at the top, which allowed Bryan Adams to leapfrog Gloria. As it happens, this is also the second time in as many years that Gloria would have a #1 AC song that also missed AT40, except this one missed both Pop countdowns - "Cuts Both Ways" topped the AC chart in both places, and stopped at #44 on the Hot 100 in August 1990. (Though as an aside, this would have also been released as Gloria was in the midst of her physical rehabilitation after her bus accident - why on Earth did Epic release an additional song from the album after that happened? ) Staying on the subject of AC and Pop comparisons, just three songs in this countdown never made a Pop countdown, and none of those are in the Top 10. ("Can't Forget You", of course, is the fourth song that didn't make AT40, only scratching CT40.) One of those three belongs to Chicago, who...while they were done for good in the Pop realm, they would in fact hit the AC countdowns three more times after this, in 1997-98 - which puts the last of those, "All Roads Lead to You", in the AT20 AC era. (Meanwhile, they'd manage to get one more #1 with the first of those, "Here in My Heart".) Hall & Oates would go even longer than them, pulling out a #1 in "Do it For Love" in 2002. In fact, they'd reach the AT10 era, their last countdown run being "I'll Be Around" at the beginning of 2005. What was the exact chart stat that Dick mentioned with regards to Wilson Phillips and Lionel Richie? Most consecutive weeks in the Top 30? They would finish with 77 weeks, when "The Dream is Still Alive" fell off on the 9/13/91 R&R chart. BUT: Another act on this same chart would go on to best that mark by just one week! Why yes, it'd be the very act who had the very next song in this week's countdown: Amy Grant. She debuted on the 3/1/91 chart with "Baby Baby", and would string her 5 hits together in a 78-week run, with the final week (for "I Will Remember You", of course) coming on 8/21/92. (Incidentally: That run would be nearly duplicated exactly on AT40, as her 5 hits cover the period from 3/9/91 to 9/5/92 there. But it would fall just short of being consecutive, as she went missing for one week, 10/5/91.) SWING AND A MISS: Three debuts on this week's Top 30, and two of those would be future #1s. So which one gets picked as a possible future countdown hit? The one that doesn't get there at all. "Say it With Love" would stop at #25, and in fact would be their last US singles chart appearance to date. And the successor to "(Everything I Do) I Do it For You" at #1 would depend on which chart you consult. Here, it'd be "The Motown Song", which would then go on to be one of two songs to keep "Time, Love, and Tenderness" from the top spot ("Everybody Plays the Fool" - one of this week's two other Top 30 debuts - would be the other), but on Billboard, Bryan would spend 8 weeks at #1 (versus six in R&R), while Rod had to settle for #3, and Michael Bolton would reach #1 there.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2021 13:19:38 GMT -5
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Post by adam31 on Apr 2, 2021 14:06:42 GMT -5
Thanks for the donation. It will definitely be on the schedule in the near future!
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Post by adam31 on Apr 5, 2021 7:30:34 GMT -5
What chart is the MG Kelly 11-21-87 show from today? Sounds like AC.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2021 7:46:43 GMT -5
What chart is the MG Kelly 11-21-87 show from today? Sounds like AC. Radio and Records AC chart
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Post by Mike on Apr 5, 2021 7:52:20 GMT -5
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Post by adam31 on Apr 5, 2021 7:54:32 GMT -5
I don't think so, #30 was REO Speedwagon "In My Dreams" doesn't match up.
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Post by Mike on Apr 5, 2021 8:59:18 GMT -5
I don't think so, #30 was REO Speedwagon "In My Dreams" doesn't match up. Then either it can't be R&R, or they messed with the chart - "In My Dreams" is #24 on the previous week's chart, thus making it a dropper on this one.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2021 10:13:54 GMT -5
Booooo where is my one hour of Dees Sleaze Radio?!?! This is Listener Depot, not adam31 Depot.
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Post by adam31 on Apr 5, 2021 10:27:06 GMT -5
Booooo where is my one hour of Dees Sleaze Radio?!?! This is Listener Depot, not adam31 Depot. Sorry cut that as I thought the final hour was mistakenly included as it was indicated this would be MG Kelly Top 30 USA. Feel free to submit a separate show of your creation so the listeners will know what they are tuning in for.
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Post by Mike on Apr 5, 2021 19:22:04 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't know what this is, but R&R it ain't. He just said "Guaranteed For Life" (by Millions Like Us) dropped 12 to #29 - thus, a 17-29 move, and that only reached #22 in R&R.
I also checked Billboard (for the heck of it) and Gavin - it doesn't match either of theirs. And Cash Box, unless I mis-read, doesn't have an AC chart.
Any other publication left? If not, then that leaves this being an in-house chart.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2021 21:38:49 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't know what this is, but R&R it ain't. He just said "Guaranteed For Life" (by Millions Like Us) dropped 12 to #29 - thus, a 17-29 move, and that only reached #22 in R&R. I also checked Billboard (for the heck of it) and Gavin - it doesn't match either of theirs. And Cash Box, unless I mis-read, doesn't have an AC chart. Any other publication left? If not, then that leaves this being an in-house chart. Top 30 USA ran from 1983-1988 and was the first AC countdown show I believe. I know for sure that the earlier Top 30 USA shows are R&R as it was mentioned throughout the show. I am guessing that CBS RadioRadio switched to an in-house chart later on. Maybe we would have more info about these lesser-known countdown shows if it wasn't for AT40-only fans and if countdown show hoarders shared more shows.
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Post by Mike on Apr 5, 2021 21:50:14 GMT -5
I am guessing that CBS RadioRadio switched to an in-house chart later on. They must have - trying to Google it yielded precious few usable results (due in no small part to Machine Gun Kelly, and his oft-used initials, MGK, being things ), but I did stumble on someone off-loading the 9/14/85 show in an online auction a few years back. The preview images included a cue sheet, so I checked that chart, and it didn't match comparable issues of R&R either. (Actually, for whatever reason, R&R only went down to 25 around that time. ETA: They reduced from 30 to 25 on 4/27/84, then returned to 30 on 10/4/85.) ETA: I stand corrected. That particular show is in an ongoing eBay auction right now!
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Post by laura on Apr 5, 2021 21:51:35 GMT -5
I actually have a Top 30 USA show that I received from a trade a few years ago that was from earlier in 1987, May I think, but I haven't listened to it in a while, so he was probably using whatever in-house chart they used then that time as well.
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Post by Mike on Apr 5, 2021 21:53:33 GMT -5
In any case, here's the chart as best I could recall it. There was no way to get a LW position on several of these. 30 ?? REO Speedwagon - In My Dreams 29 17 Millions Like Us - Guaranteed For Life 28 -- Belinda Carlisle - Heaven is a Place on Earth 27 12 Gloria Estefan & Miami Sound Machine - Betcha Say That 26 -- Restless Heart - New York (Hold Her Tight) 25 ?? Kenny G with Lenny Williams - Don't Make Me Wait For Love 24 29 Barry Manilow - Brooklyn Blues 23 -- Siedah Garrett - Everchanging Times 22 28 Natalie Cole - I Live For Your Love 21 ?? Fleetwood Mac - Little Lies 20 15 Al Jarreau - Since I Fell For You 19 23 Michael Tomlinson - Dawning on a New Day 18 21 Paul Janz - Believe in Me 17 ?? The Cars - You Are the Girl 16 25 Whitney Houston - So Emotional 15 10 Richard Carpenter & Dusty Springfield - Something in Your Eyes 14 20 Dan Hill - Never Thought (That I Could Love) 13 ?? Cutting Crew - I've Been in Love Before 12 16 Laura Branigan - Power of Love 11 ?? Swing Out Sister - Breakout 10 13 George Harrison - Got My Mind Set on You 09 11 Bourgeois Tagg - I Don't Mind at All 08 ?? Neil Diamond - I Dreamed a Dream 07 08 Kool & The Gang - Special Way 06 04 Dionne Warwick & Kashif - Reservations For Two 05 06 Steve Winwood - Valerie 04 05 Bill Medley & Jennifer Warnes - (I've Had) The Time of My Life 03 01 Elton John - Candle in the Wind 02 03 Michael Bolton - That's What Love is All About 01 02 Bruce Springsteen - Brilliant Disguise Two things of note on Restless Heart: 1) "New York (Hold Her Tight)" turns out to have been the B-side to their Country single at this same time, "Wheels". 2) As we know, this wouldn't be the last time they released separate singles to Country and AC - look no further than "Tell Me What You Dream" in 1993, which wasn't released to Country (instead, they got "Mending Fences"). That said, these are the only two times they released separate singles. For those who catch MERCs from the 60s, "Since I Fell For You" should sound familiar - Lenny Welch had the biggest hit version (#4 at the end of 1963), that's also made some 60s compilations from that period (my family has one titled Senior Prom that was, oddly enough, issued in 1987). Dusty Springfield would, of course, see a continued revival Stateside in the form of "What Have I Done to Deserve This?" in short order - but by this point, that song had already been to #2 in native England (held off by "Never Gonna Give You Up"). "I Dreamed a Dream" should also sound familiar - originally from Les Miserables, it's the song that would also, much later, catapult Susan Boyle to fame in 2009-10. (Remember her?) And "Brilliant Disguise" would not reach #1 in either R&R or Billboard - in the R&R I posted, it was leapfrogged by Michael Bolton, while in Billboard, it only reached #5. It did, actually, reach #1 in Gavin's AC chart, but their chart also included two songs that don't appear to have appeared on either of the other two charts at all - "Indian Summer" by Dream Academy and "Another Day Gone" by some act called Brydge.
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Post by Mike on Apr 5, 2021 22:39:38 GMT -5
To fill this in a little further. This references the AT40 Board thread asking primarily about Countdown America, but about "other countdowns" too, that Dees Sleaze posted in the Schedules thread several weeks ago. OK, start point. Pete Battistini posted this there: And later, R&R's AC chart was suggested as the source. Dees Sleaze has mentioned that already, but to put a fine point on the matter, the "demo program" Pete's referring to would have used this chart, where #30 and #1 match: worldradiohistory.com/Archive-RandR/1980s/1983/RR-1983-05-20.pdf#page=72Odds are, that "demo program" is dated for Memorial Day weekend in 1983 (May 28-29). Who knows what led to the switch to an in-house chart, but notice that the chart goes down to 30 - I edited a post above to note that from the end of April 1984 through September 1985, they only went down to 25. Here's where they talk about the decision to shrink: worldradiohistory.com/Archive-RandR/1980s/1984/RR-1984-04-27.pdf#page=82And where they talk about the decision to re-expand: worldradiohistory.com/Archive-RandR/1980s/1985/RR-1985-10-04.pdf#page=51Any chance the chart shrink had anything to do with changing to an in-house chart for Top 30 USA? At this point it seems like a wild guess, but I can't say I have anything else to go on on that point. And at this point, I shall bid good night. See y'all tomorrow!
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Post by laura on Apr 5, 2021 22:53:10 GMT -5
I was wondering what songs 6-3 were because my Wi-fi went out around that time.
BTW, the #1 song on that MG Kelly show that I mentioned was "Baby Grand", a Billy Joel and Ray Charles duet. Did that hit #1 on any of the major AC charts at the time or just on whatever they used?
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Post by Mike on Apr 6, 2021 6:56:23 GMT -5
Checking just the three I mentioned...#3 on Billboard, #4 on R&R, #2 (for 3 weeks) on Gavin. So that would appear to be an MG Kelly-only #1. And based on the R&R peak time, I'd be willing to bet that show is from the weekend of May 2.
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Post by adam31 on Apr 6, 2021 8:03:47 GMT -5
Checking just the three I mentioned...#3 on Billboard, #4 on R&R, #2 (for 3 weeks) on Gavin. So that would appear to be an MG Kelly-only #1. And based on the R&R peak time, I'd be willing to bet that show is from the weekend of May 2.
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Post by Mike on Apr 6, 2021 8:28:12 GMT -5
LOL, it helps to know where fast resources are to check.
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Post by laura on Apr 6, 2021 10:35:58 GMT -5
I think it was, if not it was really close. I'll get to looking for the show soon. I could submit it to the Listener Depot but since a 1987 MG Kelly show was just featured, I probably won't for a while.
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Post by laura on Apr 10, 2021 15:46:19 GMT -5
I just uploaded a Scott Shannon's Rockin' America show from 1/24/87. It's my first time submitting one.
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Post by adam31 on Apr 12, 2021 7:15:52 GMT -5
I just uploaded a Scott Shannon's Rockin' America show from 1/24/87. It's my first time submitting one. I got the donation, thank you so much! It will air in the coming weeks.
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Post by Mike on Apr 19, 2021 21:58:50 GMT -5
A few random observations: Is it bad if hearing "Get Closer" made me wonder if we'd hear "Get Close-Up" ads in this week's Shadoe? (Upon checking, we will not.) Although, speaking of Shadoe, this show had quite a few things in common with what the later part of the Shadoe era would have - plenty of hearing directly from countdown acts, flashback elements (albeit the method of "flashing back" was different), and even a music news-reporting section. "Southern Cross" is the only song to duplicate chart movement in both the National Music Survey and AT40 this week (outside of #1 standing pat). Far from being a "song to look out for", Yoko's "My Man" didn't do a thing as a single. In fact, except for "Walking on Thin Ice", her single released in the aftermath of Lennon's murder, her only other single to even chart in the 80s was "Hell in Paradise", which apparently reached #12 on the Dance chart in 1985. And that'd be it for her until DJs started remixing her older songs, leading to a string of Dance chart hits in the 2000s and 2010s. djjoe1960, how common was it for a song to go Top 10 on Cash Box and not on Billboard? "Nobody" does that here. Separately, these seven songs hit #1 on Cash Box during the National Music Survey period (5/30/81-3/5/83) and not on Billboard: "Elvira" (8/1/81!), "Theme From Greatest American Hero" (8/8/81), "Open Arms" (3/13/82, as heard recently on MERC as well), "That Girl" (4/3/82), "Hurts So Good" (7/24/82), "Gloria" (11/27/82), and "Do You Really Want to Hurt Me" (2/26 & 3/5/83). Of those, Joey Scarbury, Journey, and Culture Club also hit #1 in R&R (Journey going for 7 weeks there enroute to snagging #1 for 1982), while the rest did not.
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Post by djjoe1960 on Apr 20, 2021 14:34:22 GMT -5
A few random observations: Is it bad if hearing "Get Closer" made me wonder if we'd hear "Get Close-Up" ads in this week's Shadoe? (Upon checking, we will not.) Although, speaking of Shadoe, this show had quite a few things in common with what the later part of the Shadoe era would have - plenty of hearing directly from countdown acts, flashback elements (albeit the method of "flashing back" was different), and even a music news-reporting section. "Southern Cross" is the only song to duplicate chart movement in both the National Music Survey and AT40 this week (outside of #1 standing pat). Far from being a "song to look out for", Yoko's "My Man" didn't do a thing as a single. In fact, except for "Walking on Thin Ice", her single released in the aftermath of Lennon's murder, her only other single to even chart in the 80s was "Hell in Paradise", which apparently reached #12 on the Dance chart in 1985. And that'd be it for her until DJs started remixing her older songs, leading to a string of Dance chart hits in the 2000s and 2010s. djjoe1960 , how common was it for a song to go Top 10 on Cash Box and not on Billboard? "Nobody" does that here. Separately, these seven songs hit #1 on Cash Box during the National Music Survey period (5/30/81-3/5/83) and not on Billboard: "Elvira" (8/1/81!), "Theme From Greatest American Hero" (8/8/81), "Open Arms" (3/13/82, as heard recently on MERC as well), "That Girl" (4/3/82), "Hurts So Good" (7/24/82), "Gloria" (11/27/82), and "Do You Really Want to Hurt Me" (2/26 & 3/5/83). Of those, Joey Scarbury, Journey, and Culture Club also hit #1 in R&R (Journey going for 7 weeks there enroute to snagging #1 for 1982), while the rest did not. Mike-- About 80% of the time Cash Box & Billboard agreed on songs reaching the Top 10. Joe
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Post by Jeff Michaels on Apr 21, 2021 18:27:00 GMT -5
A few random observations: Is it bad if hearing "Get Closer" made me wonder if we'd hear "Get Close-Up" ads in this week's Shadoe? (Upon checking, we will not.) Although, speaking of Shadoe, this show had quite a few things in common with what the later part of the Shadoe era would have - plenty of hearing directly from countdown acts, flashback elements (albeit the method of "flashing back" was different), and even a music news-reporting section. "Southern Cross" is the only song to duplicate chart movement in both the National Music Survey and AT40 this week (outside of #1 standing pat). Far from being a "song to look out for", Yoko's "My Man" didn't do a thing as a single. In fact, except for "Walking on Thin Ice", her single released in the aftermath of Lennon's murder, her only other single to even chart in the 80s was "Hell in Paradise", which apparently reached #12 on the Dance chart in 1985. And that'd be it for her until DJs started remixing her older songs, leading to a string of Dance chart hits in the 2000s and 2010s. djjoe1960, how common was it for a song to go Top 10 on Cash Box and not on Billboard? "Nobody" does that here. Separately, these seven songs hit #1 on Cash Box during the National Music Survey period (5/30/81-3/5/83) and not on Billboard: "Elvira" (8/1/81!), "Theme From Greatest American Hero" (8/8/81), "Open Arms" (3/13/82, as heard recently on MERC as well), "That Girl" (4/3/82), "Hurts So Good" (7/24/82), "Gloria" (11/27/82), and "Do You Really Want to Hurt Me" (2/26 & 3/5/83). Of those, Joey Scarbury, Journey, and Culture Club also hit #1 in R&R (Journey going for 7 weeks there enroute to snagging #1 for 1982), while the rest did not. The cashbox contributor we have for my music expert retro countdown and I talk about that a lot. I don't know about Top 10 wise but number one wise it did happen in pretty good amount of the time. There are songs like out of touch by Daryl Hall and John Oates and hard to say I'm sorry by Chicago. It happens a decent amount of the time, I've even seen in the extended flashback where it will do that. Which we don't do countdowns in the 60s for cash box but we'll use that number one when we're doing the seventies episode.
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Post by Mike on Apr 21, 2021 19:12:11 GMT -5
The cashbox contributor we have for my music expert retro countdown and I talk about that a lot. I don't know about Top 10 wise but number one wise it did happen in pretty good amount of the time. There are songs like out of touch by Daryl Hall and John Oates and hard to say I'm sorry by Chicago. It happens a decent amount of the time, I've even seen in the extended flashback where it will do that. Which we don't do countdowns in the 60s for cash box but we'll use that number one when we're doing the seventies episode. Number ones wise, it's hard not to notice - by now, I've chalked that up to being part and parcel of Cash Box being a separate chart. But Sylvia's "Nobody" jumped out at me on Monday's National Music Survey for that going Top 10 on Cash Box (#9) when it stopped at #15 in Billboard and #17 in R&R. So that made me wonder what other songs have done something like that. Though I will say, missing the Top 10 on both of those other two strikes me as exceedingly rare. Going Top 10 on Billboard but not R&R ("Private Dancer") or vice-versa ("Walking Down Your Street") each happened with enough frequency, but missing both? (Upon checking, both songs I cited were Cash Box Top 10s.) ...and in my zeal to check, I found another Cash Box-only Top 10: Paul Young's "I'm Gonna Tear Your Playhouse Down".
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